Saturday, October 14, 2017

JOHN CHUCKMAN COMMENT: DOES ISRAEL WANT PEACE? - I THINK THE ANSWER HAS BEEN IN FOR A LONG TIME - PALESTINIANS CAN VOTE? - ISRAEL HAS PEACEFUL RELATIONS WITH ALL NEIGHBORS EXCEPT PALESTINIANS?



EXPANSION OF COMMENTS POSTED TO AN ARTICLE BY ROBERT FISK IN THE INDEPENDENT


We will soon find out what 'unity' really means for the Palestinians
Following the deal between Fatah and Hamas, the real question is: does Israel want peace with its neighbour?


"the real question is: does Israel want peace with its neighbour?"

Yes, but that question is becoming very old, and when a question goes unanswered decade after decade after decade, I think it reasonable to conclude that the answer is "no."

Israel's starting attitudes were those of early Zionist Jabotinsky, display an iron wall towards the natives of Palestine.

And it has only gone from bad to worse.

The 1967 War was a deliberately planned war of conquest, a war aimed at realizing the dream of Greater Israel.

There was even some still-unknown American complicity in that war by President Lyndon Johnson, judged from Johnson’s strange reaction, during the war, to Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty, an American spy ship. After all, this was the man who gave us the Gulf of Tonkin Incident to start the modern holocaust of the Vietnam War. This was also the man whose rise to power involved documented vote fraud. Secrecy and underhandedness were stock in trade with Johnson.

Complicity of some kind seems the only way to explain the anger-prone and violent Texan’s silent and accepting reaction to Israel’s deliberate (the ship was well-marked and Israel’s lead pilot recognized it as American, checking home by radio about how he should proceed), long (more than an hour), and extremely violent (planes and boats delivering torpedoes, bombs, rockets, and napalm plus heavy cannon fire) attack on the Liberty. Every effort was made to sink that ship with its entire crew. The ship proved tougher than expected, but, as it was, 34 of the crew died.

Were it not the case that the 1967 War was a deliberate war of conquest, there would be no reason why Israel still occupies millions of people after half a century.

The winning general of 1967, Moshe Dayan, is on record as saying if the Palestinians were made miserable enough, they would leave.

It is hard to see Israel's subsequent acts in any other light. The giant concentration camp of Gaza. The massive walls with gun towers, all built on another people's land. The regular open theft of other people's property with “settlements” in the West Bank. The new level of brutality and theft going on in East Jerusalem.

Yes, Israel wants a kind of peace, the peace of enjoying other people's property without the people.

You know, defenders of Israel often say how different Israel behaves than other regimes which either exterminate unwanted populations or brutally ethnically-cleanse them.

But my response is that I simply do not see a great distinction. More than half a century of holding millions of innocent people in a kind of living death with no rights and no prospects supports no claim to humane and decent behavior.

In the case of Gaza, the million and half or so are held in almost inconceivable brutality. Automated gun towers. Patrol boats shooting fishermen. Poisonous herbicides sprayed on large swathes of land. Human waste water dumped on land in some areas. Deprivation of electricity. Refusal to provide adequate medical assistance. A blockade which prevents the supplies to rebuild what Israel destroyed. And now a metal underground wall to prevent tunnels from delivering vital supplies from Sinai. All, to say nothing of having bombed and shot about 4,000 people, 1,000 of whom were children.

Peace for Israel is just a word.
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Response to another comment about Palestinians being able to vote in their own elections:

Yours are manipulative words.

Palestinians can vote, yes, in a place which is not allowed any kind of real authority, a place with no rights of any kind, a place without even physical access to other places, and a place where even basic property rights are violated regularly by an occupying force.

It is the vote, effectively, of prisoners, under the watch of armed guards, for various small day-in, day-out arrangements in their maximum-security prison.

That is not an exaggeration, not in the least.

Oh, and if they just happen to vote for the wrong choice, they are treated as the people of Gaza have been treated.

Still further, selected leaders, for whom the people might well have voted, are simply assassinated by Israel, with a long series of assassinations going back for decades.

We've actually seen this done by an Israeli gang with stolen or forged passports and poisonous injections, behavior impossible to distinguish from that of North Korea. Several Western countries in the past, including Canada and Australia, actually had to ask Israel to stop using their passports for such killings. Dozens more Palestinian leaders have been killed by missiles launched from planes or drones, blown apart in their own homes, along with families or friends.

Arafat, Palestine’s most revered leader despite his nepotism and favoritism, in his last days was made a close prisoner by Israel with tanks sticking their gun barrels through his walls. He wasn’t even permitted to go to the Christmas religious services he always attended. Later, he was assassinated with radioactive poison.

That's some idea of the right to vote.
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Response to another comment declaring Israel has peaceful relations with all of its neighbors except the Palestinians:

Yes, Israel has "peaceful relations"… with tyrants and kings.

The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, etc. - all are tyrants or kings.

When any other kind of government shows up in the neighborhood, Israel is ready to attack it, either overtly or covertly.

Egypt's first and only democratic president, Morsi, was eliminated by an engineered coup. Yes, there was some popular discontent in Egypt, but in what state isn't there, including very much the US and Israel? Coups are not the typical result of popular discontent, particularly where the United States is deeply involved as Israel’s protector and may easily warn off coup forces, instead of encouraging them.

The Egyptians are stuck with still another tyrant-for-life, but, my, we can be grateful because Israel gets along with him just fine.

You see, Israel, by its very nature, as something imposed by force upon others, has almost no tolerance for democracy, not in any of its neighbors and not among the Palestinians it has displaced.

There's a reason Israel is the Middle East's only "democracy," and the reason is that Israel likes dealing with tyrants who keep the natives, as it were, in line, and it very much makes its desires felt everywhere around it.

And, of course, the United States is there, with all its vast military and security resources, to assist in keeping the neighborhood the way Israel likes it. The kings and tyrants who get along with Israel are put under its protection and enjoy favorable treatment. Any leader, whether elected or not, who does not get along with Israel is overthrown – just what we’ve seen done horribly in Iraq and Libya and attempted at immense cost of life in Syria.

Even in the West Bank, the pathetic "president" Israel supports, Abbas, hasn't faced an election in years. He is only supported – “tolerated” would be a better word since he is permitted almost no authority or initiative - because he’s the kind of accommodating, unchallenging personality with which Israel likes to deal. He’s a stage prop Israel can roll out, every once in a while, for the appearance of talks.

As far as Israel itself, what kind of democracy has only one kind of people allowed to become citizens and vote? Or has established many theocratic rules reflecting just one religious group?

Yes, there are a fair number of non-Jewish, Palestinian Israeli citizens, but they were an accidental result of the 1948 conflict and waves of terror. They were trapped in a location, much as the large group huddled into Gaza was, and, short of going into the extermination business, there was nothing just-created Israel could do about them. But they sure are not made to feel welcome or equal, being often to this day harassed or threatened and not receiving the same full measure of citizenship as Jewish Israelis.

But compared to the millions of Palestinians held against their will in the occupied territories since the 1967 War, the Palestinian Israelis created by accident in 1948, remain a relatively small group.

I think it fair to say the last time we saw similar arrangements in a state styling itself a democracy was in Nationalist South Africa. And the time before that was in the American Confederacy.

And remember, even if Israel really were a democracy in the sense most people understand the term, it still is not organized to protect its minorities. A permanent majority of any one group or interest or religion anywhere puts the rights and freedoms of all others, not part of the majority group, in constant jeopardy.   

Power granted by a majority vote may be just as abusive or unfair as the power of a dictatorship. Power is power, however granted, and those not sharing in it must be protected against those wielding it.

That’s the whole reason for having a Bill or Charter of Rights, to protect minorities from belligerent majorities. And Israel has no Bill of Rights, nor can it ever have one, given the very nature of its society.