John Chuckman
COMMENT POSTED TO AN ARTICLE IN PRAVDA
“Blame MH17 on Russia: International investigation turns into demonic circus”
Good summary of events. What has always most impressed me is the vivid memory of some early images I saw on the Internet of the wreckage on the ground.
In the frame of the pilot's seat and in some of metal skin of the cabin, there were the clearest possible perfectly round holes, as would have been made by a machine gun or small-caliber canon from a fighter plane. The image was unmistakable.
Then, when after much delay, the pilot's body was sent home for burial, his family were ordered not to open the coffin. I couldn't help but wonder about that. Was it so they didn't see bullet holes?
I just don't know. There clearly was other damage too. The holes I saw were definitely not from missile warhead shrapnel, although other damage suggests that too.
The bottom line for me is the inordinate length of time deliberately taken. This was not a difficult case at all. Everything should have been out to the public within weeks, but it was not.
Also, the investigators failed to comprehensively collect evidence on the ground - something always demanded in such investigations. Locals still had pieces long after and likely still do. The considerable time the investigators took to get around to collecting material gave the Ukrainians an extended opportunity to fiddle with the site.
Investigators also refused to use certain data supplied by Russian authorities and did not allow Russian collaboration. Why?
And then we get periodic announcements, after long intervals of time, always with imprecise conclusions and no new hard evidence. The pattern resembles nothing we’ve ever seen before in a crash investigation. It just screams cover-up with the vague conclusions at each announcement. The Dutch have undoubtedly been put under intense pressure by America in defense of its interests in the coup-induced Ukrainian government, who I think more than likely shot the plane down in stupid error after stupidly not closing the air space over a war zone as they were required to do.
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Response to a comment:
The Dutch are pretty fair people, and that is part of why they were selected, for credibility. I've always thought highly of them.
But even honest people can be pressured behind the scenes.
Especially by a muscle-bound bully like today's America, which busied itself back then with projects like overthrowing Ukraine's elected government and lying about all the mercenaries fighting in Syria posed as jihadists and a whole bunch of other dirty operations.
Do you even know what Hillary's scandal at Benghazi was about? What they were doing was collecting weapons and cut throats to ship to poor old Syria, assistance for all the creepy al-Nusrah and ISIS types. But some of the thugs killed the ambassador instead.
Clinton and Company also, we know, sent very limited amounts of Qaddafi's stock of poison gas to help create a "red line" incident in Syria so that good old smiley Obama could begin bombing the crap out of them. It all went wrong in part thanks to Putin, providing still another reason for disliking him.
The US spent $5 billion on the Ukraine coup. We know that amount accidentally from big-mouthed former State Department Neocon, Victoria Nuland, the same charmer who was overheard once shouting "F-ck Europe!"
How would you react if some American thug of the quality of a Nuland or today's Pompeo or Bolton told you that if you didn't cooperate, you were going to endanger a $5 billion investment by the United States? And if you did that, there would be serious repercussions for Dutch investments and banking, etc.?
America today, sadly, is country almost without honor.
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Additional comment:
‘"It is also worth mentioning that the United States has not provided satellite images, the presence of which was announced immediately after the catastrophe," Zakharova said as quoted on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry.’
It should be noted that America's "Keyhole" spy satellites have camera equipment not so very different from the space telescope. And we know these satellites are active especially in any area of conflict. Nothing could be more suspicious than the failure to produce the images.
FOOTNOTE: A MUCH LATER STATEMENT FROM THE MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER AS QUOTED IN "SOUTHFRONT"
“WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?”: MALAYSIAN PM SLAMS MH17 INVESTIGATION AS NOT IMPARTIAL AND POLITICALLY MOTIVATED
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said that the investigation into the 2014 crash of the Malaysia Airlines-operated Boeing in Ukraine was not conducted in an impartial manner, but was rather focused on simply pinning the blame on Russia for political reasons.
“For some reasons, Malaysia was not allowed to check the black box to see what happened. We don’t know why we are excluded from the examination but from the very beginning, we see too much politics in it and the idea was not to find out how this happened but seems to be concentrated on trying to pin it to the Russians. This is not a neutral kind of examination,“ the prime minister said, as quoted by the Malaysian National News Agency.
“They are accusing Russia but where is the evidence? We know the missile that brought down the plane is a Russian type missile, but it could also be made in Ukraine. You need strong evidence to show it was fired by the Russians, it could be by the rebels in Ukraine, it could be Ukrainian government because they too have the same missile”.
Both Malaysia and Russia were excluded from partaking in the investigation.
If one translates the recent remarks by the Malaysian prime minister from diplomatic language to direct speech, we see that he stated that Malaysia has little doubts that the MH17 was intentionally shot down by the Ukrainian government. He also points out that the side controlling the JIT and thus the investigation is concealing the criminals, hiding data, and limiting the participation of third parties in the ‘international’ investigation.
COMMENT ON CHARGES NOW LAID BY DUTCH INVESTIGATORS OF MH-17
With the announcement of charges being laid by Dutch investigators, a British newspaper used the headline “MH17 suspects charged with murder over 298 deaths will likely escape justice”
What justice?
This American-appointed investigation has ignored all kind of evidence.
Including the fact that the Russians have shown that the BUK missile serial numbers found at the scene correspond to a unit sold to Ukraine many years ago.
The investigators have pulled this stunt of charging four men knowing full well that the individuals named cannot be extradited. They just wanted names for sensational headlines.
The entire performance is shameful.
Such a relatively simple crash, normally solved in weeks by professionals, has had its investigation stretched to years, with still no clear and indisputable findings.
Many pieces of evidence supplied by Russia were simply cast aside by these investigators. Pieces of physical evidence were left on the ground, some of them still in the possession of locals. The effort to collect physical evidence, normally meticulous and scrupulous after air crashes, was careless, and the effort came only after a substantial delay, allowing Ukraine plenty of time to sanitize things before investigators set to work. Still other pieces of potential evidence were never supplied, such as images or radar tracks from an American spy satellite working over the area at the time.
Shame on the Dutch, a people I’ve always admired, but there they are, under the American thumb, America trying to protect a coup-installed government from humiliation over its incompetence.
