Monday, September 18, 2017

JOHN CHUCKMAN COMMENT: THE GUARDIAN TRIES TO LOOK OPEN WITH AN ARTICLE ABOUT ISRAEL AND PALESTINE BY CHIEF PROPAGANDIST JONATHAN FREEDLAND AND ACTUALLY ALLOWING (SOME) COMMENTS



COMMENTS POSTED TO AN ARTICLE BY JONATHAN FREEDLAND IN THE GUARDIAN


The talking is over, the occupation goes on. Will there ever be peace in the Middle East?

Let's be honest and put the responsibility where it belongs.

Netanyahu has always despised Oslo. We have many quotes from him to that effect, quite apart from his actions.

And how can anyone speak of peace while seizing the homes and farms of Palestinians and trying hard to make-over the ethnic composition of East Jerusalem?

You cannot.

Israel keeps an old man, Abbas, propped up as “president,” a man many would whose character resembles a kind of Palestinian Stepin Fetchit, a man who has not faced election in years. He is their stage prop to wheel out whenever there is a photo-op to show Israel is interested in peace.

Israel will not even talk to anyone else.

If Israel wanted peace it could have it tomorrow. Just return to the Green Line and put your boundaries into law. Few may realize it, but going on three-quarters of a century into its existence, it has no boundaries.

Why would that be? Because the land seized in the 1967 War is slowly being absorbed into some definition of Israel which exists nowhere else than in the minds of leaders like Netanyahu. Peace while stealing?

Just look at Netanyahu’s attitude towards neighbor Syria. Israel has conducted at least a hundred bombing runs against that war-torn land. And it has been involved in helping the mercenary fighters there who try destroying a legitimate government while posing as jihadis. It has talked of seizing still more land as a buffer.

And it has made it clear it regards the illegally-seized Golan Heights as its own in defiance of all international law. It is even drilling for oil there and making arrangements to sell it. Does that sound like a person who wants peace?

Netanyahu is now threatening Lebanon with another invasion. The threats are heard regularly. As are the threats against Iran, a country that has attacked no one in its modern history, except the terrorists at work in Syria. Israel openly spurns the Iran nuclear agreement and prods the United States to end it. Some devotion to peace.
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Response (Promptly removed by Guardian editors) to a reader pointing out how Israel gave back Gaza for peace: 

Israel never handed Gaza back to anyone, because in fact it never had Gaza.

It had a handful of settlers running around behind barbed wire with submachine guns and surrounded by soldiers.

They ran from an unsustainable and physically ugly situation, by the way, doing such peace-loving things as they left as poisoning their water wells and demolishing anything useful to others.

Hamas is a very key fact in the whole matter of peace. When Hamas was largely a humanitarian agency, back in the days of Fatah, Israel's security services actually secretly assisted it, hoping to make trouble for Fatah.

When Hamas became a political party – political Hamas actually stood for clean government as opposed to the old, well-known corruption of Fatah - and won an open, observed, election, Israel changed its stance. Suddenly Hamas was a terror group.

They were not. They were a democratic organization which, of course, had no great affection for Israel.

Israel, after Hamas's election, actually seized by force of arms many elected officials and threw them in jail. It assassinated a number of Hamas officials and openly threatened to kill its leader several times.

What Israel doesn't like is that Hamas is democratic and independent-minded. Israel's friends in the region are the King of Jordan, the King of Saudi Arabia, and the dictator of Egypt. It embraces democracy nowhere in the region. It hated Egypt's first and only democratic government (that of Mohamed Morsi) and pressured the US to do something about it, which it promptly did, instigating a coup by the armed forces and the setting up of a new dictator.

Israel also doesn't like Hamas because it will not automatically agree to Israel's definition of itself, as “the Jewish state.” Why? There are more than a million Palestinians living in Israel. What happens to them if there were a strict definition of Israel as a Jewish state?

Anyway, the usual way of dealing with such issues is negotiation, but Israel does not negotiate. It tries to dictate. That's not peace. That's not even reality.
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Response (Promptly removed by Guardian editors) to another reader who said that Hamas stood in the way of peace:

Not at all. Hamas has always been ready to come to an understanding, but Israel does not want an understanding, it wants to dictate.